Serbian(Slavic?)-proto IE(Sanskrit) conne

Next connection is the language-Sanskrit Agni and Serbian Oganj-both meaning fire;Sanskrit  Apita  and Serbian  Opet-again; Sanskrit Svapna and Serbian  San,Spavanje both meaning  dream,sleeping; Sanskrit Sva and Serbian Svoj meaning of his own; Now this one takes a bit longer: Sanskrit Moksha(Mukti,Mukta) meaning the way of liberating one�s soul from  earthly inclinations�those of u with some insight in philosophy and religion certainly know that the way mentioned above is often equal to suffering-Serbian Muka.This form is derived from ancient slavic Mokosha or Mohuka;another sinonymus for Sanskrit Moksha(Mukti,Mukta) is Zivan-comp.to Serbian Zhiv-alive-when a Serb wants to emphasize his suffering he�ll say muka zhiva-a living torture(suffering)-and Zhivan is acommon name in Serbia. How about this: Sanskrit Ast(i?)and Serbian Jeste-meaning it is(Asi and Jesi �you are).This is one of my speculations-Sanskrit Manasi -- in the heart,within the mind,etc.-comp. to the name of one of Serbian monasteries-Manasija .Another interesting word-Sanskrit Maya(f) meaning the great demon Maya Danava;Mayai(f)-made of; Maya k(?)t-made by Maya-while in Serbian Majati means to deceive,zamajavati se means to waste your time on something irelevant,possibly  unreal;according to Svetasvatara Upashanid this world is mayin-nearly a deception,not real-so the connection between these words is evident.I think that even Veda has a meaning in Serbian similar to the one in Sanskrit(wisdom,knowledge).I even read that Rigveda is read as Richveda(not sure)-if this is true then it makes perfect sense to me since Rech(some Croatians pronounce it as Rich)means-Word � so we get the same meaning in Serbian like in Sanskrit-Words of wisdom(knowledge). Sanskrit word for dawn is Ushas(Usas)-in Serbian the word Uzhas personifies something terrible-an extraordinary state of mind and soul-it is proposed that it�s meaning changed during time �but it still remained in contact with it�s original meaning-when down appears,many feelings-some of them reach much deeper then just plain joy occur(I could probably explain this a bit better,but my skills in English r somewhat limited). More examples:Ancient Indian sacred texts r called Sruti(heard).In Serbian Chuti means both-to hear and to be heard;some Croats and Montenegrins use Shuti when they want u to shut up.Opposite Sruti in Vedic literature is Smrti (remembered,recollected).Smrt in Serbo-Croatian means-death;and I�m sure it can be very easily explained how it acquired that meaning through philosophy.ethnology and linguistics(obviously not by yours truly),however I�ve got another explanation-it�s connected with another(very similar) word.Now,in order to remember-what do u have to do(first of all things)?U have to calm yourself down,in order to think clear.Well smiriti in Serbian means to calm(someone) down.This word is rooted in the word Mir meaning peace in Serbo-Croatian-which could be also connected with death(rest in peace-pochivaj u miru).

Just two more words:  During the turkish rule of Serbia there was many outlaws from turkish authority who fought the Turks(and  robbed them-to be honest)-they were called hajduci(Plural;(hajduk-singular)).It is generally considred that the word is turkish(or Hungarian)-however one of our historians thinks it  was derived from the Sanskrit aydh-(to battle,to oppose),which could through metathesis become ayduh(in our epics the term ayduk is most frequently used)-meaning opponent,warrior. The next word is infact a name-Karaman,which was a hound that belonged to Serbian epic hero Bane Strahinjic.Some consider that it is derived from Sarama-old Indian dog-like deity(or belonging to a certain god?).

Just a 1-2 more speculations of mine: Rashnu- an ethical deity, the divine judge who  presided over legal disputes among men(aryan mythology)-the first Serbian medieval state was Rashka;there�s a surname in Serbia-Rashovich.Maybe unrelated(most probably)-etruscans called themselves Rasenna or Rasci.I was going to mention Mitra(personal name(male and female)and a common surname))-but it seems like cult of Mitra was widespread from India to Britain,so I guess there isn�t anything special about that connection...

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I know that...I was talking about traditions,folklore linguistics etc.We're even different from Slavs of let's say Russia and Poland-we mixed with the native population of balcans heavily...Don't get me wrong-I'm not stating that any parallel from my post is certain without a doubt.If those ancient Serbs(some think of them as sarmatians)were genetically connected with India,during all these centuries...u know what i mean... 

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I'll try to,but nothing in the next 2-3 days...

Forgot to mention black and white colours as symbols in Serbian epics-like in sacred Indian texts(and some other IE traditions...)

One of these sites is obviously pure propaganda, and the other is just another SF rubbish... I think that someone made up the whole story to sell more papers... 

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I found this examples: Sanskrit Astya (mouth)-in Serbian Usta; Sanskrit Naga (naked)-in Serbian Nag (m.)-he who is naked, and Naga (f)-she who is naked.

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Originally posted by Esquire >> Serbian (Slavic?)- proto IE(Sanskrit) connection << Serbian is a Slavic language Slavic, Germanic, Latin, also Albanian (Illyr), Celt, Greek... ALL part of  Indo-European Language Group. The common basis for this group is the ancient SANSKRIT language, from the Aryans of North India. This is where the "Indo-" designation comes from. Of course there is a connection - it's the scientific basis for the language group!

I wasn't refering to the language alone,but also some traditions...Anyway, have u read my examples-certain words r almost unchanged in Serbian when compared to Sanskrit.Anyway, some of the Slavic worldviews/traditions r very similar to those of ancient India...

That little history lesson was completely unnecessary, since i'm perfectly aware of all those things-I was just trying to show that there is a close connection between Slavs and Sanskrit (closer then in many IE languages)-and I also found some sources which propose directly that Slavs came from India ( they're not very reliable though-however, I rather like the idea).If Milton can propose that Anglo-Saxons came from India-I don't see why I couldn't do so with Slavs-it's much more likely.

Originally posted by Jhangora LEXICAL COMPARISON OF SANSKRIT AND LATVIAN http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi51.htm A theory that some English words are actually Sanskrit-like http://hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/sanskritwords.htm I agree with both Milton and you Socrates. Anglo-Saxons and Slavs originated in India.

They are all Indo-European.

abhi

abi

"both"

See Spanish "ambos"

asti

esti

"to eat"

It's obvious that English "eat" comes from the same root, after losing the "s"

avata

avuota

"spring water, source"

Latin aqua (water)

cathurth

ceturta

"fourth"

Spanish cuatro (four) or cuarto (fourth).

dina

diena

"day"

Spanish "dia", English "day"

Dyaus

Dievs

"Deus, God"

Latin "Deus", Greek "Theos" and "Zeus"

dhuma

duma

"smoke, of smoke"

Spanish "humo"

dusim

duosim

"give, will give"

Spanish "dar" (to give), "das" (you give)

ga*s

guovs

"cow"

English "cow"

griva

griva

"mouth, estuary, firth"

Spanish "r�a" (firth, stuary)

grabh

grab

"grab"

English "grab"

yukt

jugta

"harness"

Spanish "yugo"

kas

kas

"what"

Spanish "qu�"

kataras

katris

"each"

Spanish "cada"

kuti

kuti

"shed, coop, stable"

Spanish "cuadra"

lakt

lakt

"to lap"

English "lap"

mat*h

mate

"mother"

English "mother", Latin "mater"

madhu

medu

"honey"

Spanish "miel"

n*kt

nakt

"night"

English "night", Lat. "nocte"

nabhi

naba

"navel"

English "navel"

pl*si

blusi

"fleas"

Eglish "fleas"

prasnaya

prasnaja

"question"

Spanish "pregunta"

pluti

pludi

"flood"

English "flood"

r*tha

rata

"wheels, of wheels"

Latin "rota"

srava

strava

"stream, current"

English "stream"

tava

tava

"yours"

Spanish "tuyo"

ti

edi

"eat"

English "eat"

trayas

tris

"three"

English "three", Spanish "tres"

udhar

udr

"otter"

English "otter"

vayus

vejis

"wind"

English "wind", Spanish "viento"

vrkas

vilks

"wolf"

English "wolf"

vira

vira

"man, husband"

Latin "vir" (male, man)

vrdhi

vardi

"words"

English "words"

vayu

vaju

"weak"

English "weak"

...

Anyhow, Baltic languages are often mentioned as one of the most "archaic" among IE languages. I also think that Balto-Slavic languages have pre-historically been more exposed to influences from Eastern IE languages such as Scythian, while at the same time less exposed to transformation by a non-IE substratum. Therefore one would expect them to be "more pure", closer to proto-IE.

Thank u for the links, Jhangora.

''Anyhow, Baltic languages are often mentioned as one of the most "archaic" among IE languages. I also think that Balto-Slavic languages have pre-historically been more exposed to influences from Eastern IE languages such as Scythian, while at the same time less exposed to transformation by a non-IE substratum. Therefore one would expect them to be "more pure", closer to proto-IE.''

Even many elements from baltic folklore r surprisingly similar to ancient indian ones...I found that in all Slavic languages, the word bog - god,was adopted from the iranian( scythic, sarmatian) and displaced the proto IE dievas.However-the Balts kept the original form...Some of the rituals of slavs-burial customs-r similar to those of india.I would also dare to note yhe similarity between what Helmhold wrote of baltic Slavs and some vedic writings-the belief in inactive god who created the world and then begotten it to ''lesser gods'' to govern it...Or the priest caste that existed among baltic slavs, where priests were payed more respect then towards the kings-if i remember correctly-such was the case with brahmans in india ( i found it in Louis Leger, La Mythologie Slave ).

I thought strava was turkic-but my source is very old...it means horror in serbian( slavic)

 

 

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Originally posted by Socrates Thank u for the links, Jhangora. ''Anyhow, Baltic languages are often mentioned as one of the most "archaic" among IE languages. I also think that Balto-Slavic languages have pre-historically been more exposed to influences from Eastern IE languages such as Scythian, while at the same time less exposed to transformation by a non-IE substratum. Therefore one would expect them to be "more pure", closer to proto-IE.'' Even many elements from baltic folklore r surprisingly similar to ancient indian ones...I found that in all Slavic languages, the word bog - god,was adopted from the iranian( scythic, sarmatian) and displaced the proto IE dievas.However-the Balts kept the original form...Some of the rituals of slavs-burial customs-r similar to those of india.I would also dare to note yhe similarity between what Helmhold wrote of baltic Slavs and some vedic writings-the belief in inactive god who created the world and then begotten it to ''lesser gods'' to govern it...Or the priest caste that existed among baltic slavs, where priests were payed more respect then towards the kings-if i remember correctly-such was the case with brahmans in india ( i found it in Louis Leger, La Mythologie Slave ). I thought strava was turkic-but my source is very old...it means horror in serbian( slavic)

To some extent you are right Socrates.The king was guided by a brahman {Rajpurohit}.He would consult him on matters,major n minor.N usually follow Rajpurohit's advise. 

Originally posted by Jhangora Socrates your notebook is untidy.You get 2/10 .

Cheeky fellow.Deleted his post.